Obama and our progressive movement

I've always been a harsh critic of Obama since the primary season started as the evidence is on the record from time to time that Obama is neither a progressive nor embrace progressive values. I met many who said that Obama's movement represents hope and that change is needed in government and that Obama is different. In fact many has said that Obama is the most progressive candidate ever run for office. All this BS. As it proves now after sealing the nomination, Obama has shown what me and many on the Clinton side knew all along, his so called 'progressiveness'.

From time to time, everyone was saying that Hillary is calculative, racist, draconian and such but guess what, all those values that many dreaded has been inherited and shown by Obama himself. But yet i don't understand why many still say that we should support him and send him a blank check. Isn't this the same as trusting Haliburton, KBR or Walmart to do the right thing? I was willing to give Obama a chance for him to show me that I was wrong and I was just too personally attach to the Clintons. All that i am seeing from Obama right now is just full of flip flopping, betraying our movement's trust. Look at this post from Openleft and it seems like our job is just to suck it up and support Obama blindly. http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=6639

It looks like our netroot movement is just another typical Hollywood movement. Our job is just to donate and raise funds blindly. It's because we do not have a choice. I thought 'yes we can' is suppose to transcend politics or at least be new politics. This year is our year and many has told me that Obama represents and is able to deliver real change. Is this true?

The FISA issue is uttermost important as it is a direct threat against the 4th amendment. This is giving our government especially the President too much power. When there is a threat towards the Republicans when an amendment is in play, they would cry so loud that the world agrees with them. Why are we so divided on such a straight forward issue? Why can't we pressure Obama to do the right thing and act like a progressive? In fact people are now saying Obama is never a progressive?@? And that we should just support him as electing Mc Cain would be disastrous. Well let me tell you what would be disastrous. This precedence that we are setting in the 21st century to allow a candidate to disguise himself as a progressive when the facts doesn't say so and that we are just force to live up with that. The internet movement has brought change to politics as politicians cannot just lie to the public. It will be seen by all. But yet we are willing to excuse Obama for the values that we dreaded and vouched to fight on?

Tell me what does progressive means to you? Many has said that the difference between the policies of Obama and Hillary is just to the minimal. Well this is indeed one of the most fabricated lie. There policies seem similar because of voting records. But what they had stated and their plans and aspirations are entirely different. Healthcare, energy policy, economic policy and, gay rights. These are the issues in which they defer and i don't think is minimal. But of course if Obama can really bring change and progressivism to his administration, then i'm willing to compromise now for our future. But it seems that this is not the case. Shouldn't we held Obama accountable now? If we do not exercise our influence now, we will never be able to do it in the future. How hard is it for us to withhold funds for him for like 2 weeks? We can save those in the bank and donate to him with interest when he decided to be a progressive. We have to tell politicians that progressiveness is the norm of politics and that you cannot bluff your way through us without consequences.  And that we are very generous and lenient and will always be willing to embrace you once again when you find your roots that you begin with.

Honestly and speaking for me only, if Obama really does decide that progressiveness is not for him like what he is doing now, i'm willing to work against him because it will send a message to our future candidates that we are not a blank check, and we expect our candidates to be truthful and honest to us. This is what change is all about. Change comes with real actions and not rhetoric. This 'Yes We Can' movement has grown in all 50 states and that I believe that if Obama decides to run a campaign base on progressive values, he is able sell progressiveness to the public to bring us real change. This is our one in a life time chance for the American population to embrace and understand that our values do not come with any catches and that it will be the wisest thing to do for the country, our troops, and our people. Lets tell Obama that we are willing to turn away from him if he decides to turn away from us. Our actions in this general election will decide the strength, dedication and the directive of our progressive movement. And thus how we decide to act and vote this November will demonstrate our movement's vitality.



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Try harder, Republitroll. (1.00 / 15)


by spunkmeyer on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 04:23:10 AM EST

the irony (1.66 / 3)

is that you are acting like a troll in th is thread


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:39:12 AM EST
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Re: Try harder, Republitroll. (2.00 / 1)

spunkmeyer, total troll

Here's anew one for you: Debate = people don't always agree with you


by NY Writer on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:22:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (2.00 / 1)

Rec'ed and will give you a mojo on a comment soon. :) I hold 'almost' the same sentiment, yet I am not hard on him across the board. he is a better option of the two, but thats not saying much when he was really someone who inspired me initially..

there also 50% plus dems who passed it in the congress, so its a mindset that needs to be changed and not just words spoken to us to placate the masses.

I just can't beleive how they passed a war funding for 1 year w/ no timetable even asked for ! and then this FISA deal..

happy to see KOS and other progressive sites hitting hard on this issue.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 04:24:42 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.50 / 2)

What is rec'ed? I don't seem to have that option.


by workitfool on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 04:35:21 AM EST
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A for Effort. (none / 0)


by semiquaver on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 04:48:09 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (none / 0)

I don't, either.


Progressives unite!
by mike kuyel on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 06:15:58 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (none / 0)

That's because you're too new.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:39:28 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (2.00 / 2)

That's because your username is 2 hours old.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:40:03 AM EST
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Obama's rightward lurch (2.00 / 1)

www.counterpunch.com/kafoury06242008.htm l

June 24, 2008
What is to be Done?

Obama's Rightward Lurch
By GREGORY KAFOURY

Barack Obama arrived on the political scene with a smile as beautiful as salvation itself, like a visitor from an idealized future, one where the races have combined to a golden hue, sent here to show us the way.  Of course people fell in love with him.  Yet now we see Obama drawn into the great room where the Democratic/Corporate establishment dwells, and the door is slowly closing behind him.  This is not how it was supposed to be.

Obama has just opted out of public financing, the first presidential candidate to do so since 1972.  NewsHour's Mark Shields, keeper of the flame for all that is good in the Democratic Party, called it "a flip-flop of epic proportions," noting that Obama's argument about a GOP financial advantage was "bogus."  Shields even said it raised issues of Obama's "character." The New York Times editorialized that 2008 may now be "the year public financing died."  In seizing a tactical advantage, Obama has handed an enormous strategic victory to corporate power.  

Many progressives will argue that Obama, having raised huge amounts from small contributors, is akin to getting public financing, which liberates the candidate from dependence on corporate support.  Yet just the opposite is happening.  In the three weeks since Hillary Clinton fell upon her sword, Obama has lurched far to the right.  Consider:

read more for the list.....


by suzieg on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 05:17:15 AM EST

Re: Obama's rightward lurch (1.83 / 6)

Yeah I know those guys - they spent the 90's writing neverending screeds against Bill Clinton.  Same sarcastic tone "keeper of all thing holy" "golden hued... whateveer".

Why care about the Republicans?  That's so OBVIOUS.


by MeganLocke on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:18:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama's rightward lurch (2.00 / 2)

Uprated to counter an inappropriate TR by aliveandkickin.  Please remove your TR.


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by mistersite on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:51:49 AM EST
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Re: Obama's rightward lurch (1.16 / 6)

I'll tell you what sport. you go into my comment history and dispense your new hall monitor talents among " all" and when you do ... I'll uprate it. including this user you ask for the uprate.

You might have trouble w/ one particular on 1010101 who tr'ed 300 of my comments in one day :)

till then I shall wait to exhale..


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:07:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama's rightward lurch (2.00 / 2)

So because you believe you've been inappropriately TRed (which, given your colorful history on this site, I'm not going to take a stance on either way), you thus believe it's acceptable for you to inappropriately TR others?  I'm not allowed to uprate an inappropriate TR I see without going into the troll-rater's comment history and uprating everything they've ever posted that they consider inappropriately TRed?

Your TR of the parent post is inappropriate.  You should remove it, regardless of what TR abuse you may or may not have suffered.


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by mistersite on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:13:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.75 / 4)

I am a long time Obama supporter, but I am also having doubts.  I am a progressive first, and an Obama supporter second.  If Obama is going to support things that George Bush supports, whats the point?

I'm feeling very betrayed right now.

Spunkmeyer, this diary was well written and well thought out, and undeserving of your labelling it a troll diary.  I have therefore hide-rated your post, and I hope others will, also.

Diarist, I would recommend if I could.

WC


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 06:11:10 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (2.00 / 2)

Wow, welcome to MyDD, MR. WC.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:38:45 AM EST
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LOL (2.00 / 1)

Yep. Nice of them to just pop on in like that... out of nowhere.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:58:58 AM EST
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Re: LOL (1.75 / 4)

It's always so obvious when the trolls start their comments with " I've always supported Obama, but". Tell you what newbies, instead of telling us you've been a long time supporter, show us the proof. Because if you just got here and start bashing Obama and claiming that you are now disillusioned, you're going to be met with much skepticism.


by venician on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:21:17 AM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 0)

And a T/R from Valdemort. Guess my comment hit it's mark.


by venician on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 03:39:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.66 / 3)

Thank you for your gracious welcome.  Whether we agree or not, I hope that we can discuss things rationally and calmly, as progressives do.


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:11:40 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.75 / 4)

I, too, welcome your new arrival, and am glad to meet an Obama supporter who is having grave concerns regarding his candicacy.  Please share your thoughts on this.  I would also like a copy of your weekly newsletter.


by MeganLocke on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24:10 AM EST
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Very Eloquent Fluff (2.00 / 3)

The only substantive thing you even mentioned was the FISA compromise, one in which you conveniently single out Obama even though more than half of the Democrats also supported it.

The rest is just vague generalizations, characterizations and opinions without any specifics.

Now here's the thing. You. are. not. going. to. vote. for. Obama. Absolutely nothing he says or does  will change that. You're going to deny that assertion. But you and I both know it's true.  

Your Obama bashing is going to keep rallying the same old tired gang who've made it their personal crusade to railroad the Democratic nominee on a Democratic blog.

You ask why you should write him a blank check? The answer is easy. You shouldn't. Don't. He's going to win with or without you. Your diary is quite lengthy so I'm sure you spent quite a bit of your personal time on it. If it makes you feel better, great.

As a Soldier I'm going to proud to have him as MY Commander in Chief. As a citizen I have no doubt he's going to do great things for this country. As an American I will be proud of my country for making history. The first Black president in the western world. From slaves, to be 3/5ths of a citizen, to being denied the right to vote.... to being President of the United States.

I'm going to take great pride in being a part of that. And with your personal views you can take pride in knowing you made a valiant effort trying to railroad it. As fruitless as those effort will be.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:36:10 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.57 / 7)

What the hell is up with the 3 new users showing up in the troll diary?

What far corner of the troll-o-sphere, I wonder, do they hail from?


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:42:53 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.66 / 6)

It's a lack of basic cognitive skills. They actually think we're not going to pick up on obvious, coordinated troll efforts.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:57:39 AM EST
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Oh Cry me a River (2.00 / 2)

I have mentioned this before, but it's worth repeating. A pure progressive cannot win the GE in this country period. Hell a pure progressive probably couldn't carry the entire Democratic party. About the only thing a pure progressive could carry is the left leaning netroots. Which doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me.

Either take the overwhelming  good with the occasional bad or move along and vote for someone else who meets your standard of purity.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 08:50:41 AM EST

Re: Oh Cry me a River (2.00 / 3)

Yep. And I'm going to repeat what I've said repeatedly. I don't view a Presidential candidate leaning toward the middle to be pandering. They are appealing to the masses, which defines a democracy.

I LIKE that the hand of politicians can be forced by politics. In that regard the system works beautifully.

Where the system fails falls in our own back yards. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are completely obvious to the facts, or even how our own government works. If Americans were much more informed, educated and involved the foundations our founders laid would be almost perfect.  


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 08:59:19 AM EST
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Re: Oh Cry me a River (none / 0)

I love your comment, but the problem also has to do with people not being able to properly convey their feelings in a time where the leaders can actually do anything about it. There is a reason that Congress always seems a bit more fired up after they've had a break back in their home district.

Most politicians have to rely on polls to gauge the public opinion, because the only constituents they hear from are ones like us with a clear agenda, and they know they can't trust us. In some ways, we almost shoot ourselves in the foot that way.

But fortunately, Obama seems to believe that participation is more than just reading the polls, and he has done a great deal to make his campaign inclusive. Furthermore, Obama has made a big push for transparency in his platform, and that is one of the primary reasons he has my support. I think that, if we get it done, having spending data readily available to the public for examination could be the best thing to happen to government in a very long time.

Accountability is the forgotten underlying principle of our democracy.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 03:26:10 PM EST
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Re: Oh Cry me a River (1.50 / 2)

Jsfox I agree w/ you 100% right ( wow can you believe that ) , but where the assumption among the nominee purist here is wrong_ is that one has to be held to the lithmus test of " if you don't support every policy" you are against voting or against our candidte.

every small minded person who follows that theory as visbile by the others who posted such_ is that that a small minded , closed thinker.

You see the bill of rights was not a progressive agenda. It's a american agenda. To always equate pepole who stand firm on those rights , does not mean they are anti-nominee. It's ignorance at its finest...its mccarthyism in its modern form.  Herd mentaility shiningg through!  


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:34:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (2.00 / 2)

When Senator Clinton was running, you defended AUMF, Kyle-Liberman, Flag Burning Ammendment, HER missing the first FISA vote....

NO WORD against the Sainted Clinton was allowed....

And, Obama was a thug, an empty suit, etc...

Now, you all like act you were for him all along, and SUDDENLY you're dissappointed about one vote that was OVERWHELMING supported by the rest of the democratic congress critters.

God, you all getting so boringly repeatitive.

ONCE AGAIN FISA was voted this way to bury the bodies...

Reid, Rockefeller, all the high muck-mucks were briefed and signed off on ALL of Cheney's dark side agenda.

You expect Obama to throw them all under the bus NOW?

When he gets in office, he will close Gitmo, Restore Habeaus, AND do something about warrantless wiretapping.

Come on, you folks just are PUMAs pretending that SUDDENLY you are disappointed in Obama.


Our long national nightmare is over...in 17 days!
by WashStateBlue on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:38:37 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (1.50 / 2)

will he also part the seas for you. and I know for sure you not saying that I was for the flag burning  bill.

and if you cite me those " blah blah supported it" excuse. Then I raise that argument that since some herd signed it, obama is helpless .

Then:
Almost 70 senators signed the Iraq war vote too. Where was that line of excusing a candidate then?  we held hillary's feet to the fire for her vote. her candidacy was held to the fire.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:50:11 AM EST
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Re: Obama and our progressive movement (2.00 / 4)

Respectfully, some of us Hillary supporter always thought new politics was just a b.s. way to get votes. and ironically, as a Hill supporter/moderate, I'm happy to see Obama moving toward the center, as a way to get elected. I'm not one of those who believes that we've had four Dems elected president since 1952 "because they weren't liberal enough and weren't running on their true convictions." My biggest complaint against Obama in the primaries was that he wasn't a fighter. So what's poison to you, the fact that he's not as progressive as you hoped, is encouraging to me.

During the primaries, I was always yelling that it was b.s.  No one listened. Now he has the nomination. Fair enough. Politics is politics.

Go Dems!


by NY Writer on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:46:06 AM EST

Re: Obama and our progressive movement (none / 0)

Obama is not a progressive he is just not a republican.  If he gets elected watch how fast he will get a healthcare bill to congress.  Heaven forbid a majority House/Senate get a shot at putting their own bill together.  

About then all the people that think the progressive movement revolves around Obama will start to wonder why he is trying to kill better bills to get his through first.  

Anyway, I just can't stop asking myself this question ... If Obama gets elected is that the end of the movement for Universal Healthcare?  -An all democratic government voting against it...


by jelyfish on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 03:18:57 PM EST


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